"Today we shall pass this out to the EU parliament with due to negotiation for final adoption of this really important directive. We shall translate it today or tomorrow so that parliament can start working on it immediately so that there is no delay between our decision be made here in the beginning of work in the parliament.

May i conclude that with all delegations such as been working against, Portugal Spain Italy who are stating, can i take it that all delegations can accept the joint conversation and the accompanying in Spanish memorandum as set out in the documents before us.

Can the council also accept including in the minutes the statement made by the commission as wel as statements made by the Hungarian, Lithuation, Dutch Polish and Danish delegations i think.. and they will be set out in the documents before you."

/* The delegate of Cyprus raises his voice, and gets 'switched off' */

"And we also have a statement on behalf of Cyprus.

Have I ..

I would just like to add two words, a few words on this point, as part of the formalities adopting it. I say this without wishing to re-open the actual debate today. We are all well aware of the situation faced with an adapt which we've been expecting on this matter on various sides. We are adopting this conversation today for institutional reasons. And so as not to create a precedent which might have a consequence of creating further delays in very difficult legislative presidency which is at their decision. The commission has taken up her own responsibilities and eh i thank the commission for that. I know that a number of members including those i mentioned, Poland , Portugal, would have preferred the point we're dealing with here to be the subject of a B-point discussion at our Council. I was not able to accept that.

You may tell me this is a vast operate presidency but there are proceedings which we have to respect. And it would have complete undermined the whole logic of the exercise as provided for under the procedures and which we have to conduct by adopting this bill .. excuse me , by adopting this, what is its name, point. Any ehh .. so your decision would open a door too to a second reading by the EU parliament.

And as i said when i appeared before a commission for Parliament in January, it would be appropriate for the institution to find a area of understanding. A compromise which recognizes the individious rights expressed both by the business world and users. It is not up to today to sketch at all various possibilities for compromise which could be found on the substance in the months to come. As it is quite clear that such clarifications will have to be made, due respect to what remains to be seen as being legal uncertainty in the current Council position.

I had indicated that i did not want a substantive discussion on this, but i did want to underline these few points which demonstrate that the presidency and the council have taken notes on concerns expressed by a number of countries who have stated a wish to see a different compromise.

Here your are, i would not like to have any substantive discussion at this point. This A-point. This far as a procedures concern thing. Ben has asked me this before. Yes thank your Chairman.

Well you know, ehh Denmark's wish, it is to see this boselin inventioned, complete premarented and inventioned, we would like to see this treated at this Council meeting as a B-point. I have a NO to your comments to the effect that you cannot accept that, in to as far as this is only the formal culmination of political agreement, found in May last year. So the matter goes to the EU Parliament. I nonetheless think the most appropriate thing would be to take the matter to a B-point, But if this is not possible, I am not going to stand in the way of a formal adoption of the point. Therefor regretfully submit a written statement to be included the minutes. The points in that statement will be pursued by us when this matter comes back to the council after the EU parliament has concluded its 2nd reading. Thank you chairman."

/* A French member wants to make some comments, in french of course. */
/* and guess what? gets switched off. */

"Thank you but i will take notes of your statement and i thank you for your comments. .... So i think i can note? .... "

/* The man now speaks to himself : */
"(He doesn't want me to speak? SWITCH ME OFF!)

  "Vladimir Bukovksy, the 63-year old former Soviet dissident, fears 
   that the European Union is on its way to becoming another Soviet 
   Union. In a speech he delivered in Brussels last week Mr Bukovsky 
   called the EU a monster that must be destroyed, the sooner the 
   better, before it develops into a fullfledged totalitarian state."

[2] "NO LOBBYISTS AS SUCH, The War over Software Patents in the European Union"
by Florian Mueller, email: fmueller.nosoftwarepatents@gmail.com
Product Details:
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Format: PDF, 377pp
Pub. Date: June 2006
Publisher: SWM Software-Marketing GmbH
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[press bulletin]
Queen abdicates her constitutional responsibility

Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 07:32:43 +0200 (CEST)
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Hi,

Below is a translation from a email sent to Arend Lammertink, from 
vrijschrift.org, after he sent a open letter to Queen Beatrix of the 
Netherlands warning about her constitutional responsibility :

On Sat, 24 May 2008, Arend Lammertink wrote:

> Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 00:50:05 +0200
> From: Arend Lammertink <lamare@gmail.com>
> To: nieuws@tuks.nl, vips@tuks.nl, politiek@tuks.nl
> Subject: [press bulletin] Queen abdicates her constitutional responsibility
> 
> ==========================================================================
> 24/05/08: Queen abdicates her constitutional responsibility
> ==========================================================================
> 
> The Hague - In response to a letter concerning the failure to sign
> and ratify the new European Constitution by the Queen, because she
> would breach oath, the Queens Cabinet writes that she has put aside
> this letter for treatment at the Prime Minister due to Ministerial
> responsibility. With this the Queen abdicates her responsibility to
> preserve and protect the sovereignty of our country.
>
> Normally abdicating such matters to Ministerial responsibility is
> a perfect logical procedure, but not in this case.
> 
> In our statutional constitution as designed by Thorbecke the Queen has
> also her own responsibility by which she is above the Government.
> It concerns here tasks which are specifically mentioned inside
> the Queens constitutional oath. This oath is not sworn in to, or,
> on behalf of the Government, but directly to the Dutch people.
>
> According the writer of the previous letter, Ir. A.H. Lammertink,
> The Queen can not abdicate this responsibility to a Ministerial
> responsibility. Because of this he wrote a second letter where
> amongst others is written :
> 
>  "Since the now to ratify new European constitutional treaty directly 
>   intervenes with what you have sworn to protect, I once again point 
>   explicitly to your personal responsibility for these constitutional 
>   allocated tasks. These cannot be abdicated to Ministerial 
>   responsibility, simply because these tasks are meant to regulate 
>   the Ministers and Parliament ultimo in name of the people and if 
>   necessary keep these in bridle. And of course since Ministers can 
>   not carry responsibility for control of their own conduct of 
>   affairs, it cannot be different then that you, Her Majesty the 
>   Queen, carry this responsibility personally and thereby bear 
>   justification to God and the Dutch people directly."
>

Her Majesty the Queen of The Netherlands can of course never sign the 
current draft for the new European Constitution, as this document was 
created during very suspicious and doubtful circumstances, by which 
amongst others the European Parliament has been completely bypassed and 
now proves to be, afterwards, for 100% designed and drafted by the 
European Commission and Council only.

It seems that a important part of the Lisbon treaty was the signing of 
the old draft of the European Constitution, as it was rejected by 
referendum by both France and The Netherlands. Strangely enough, it now 
proves afterwards to be the case that immediately after Lisbon, the 
most important EU member states have dropped the referendum option, 
which amongst others include Germany, England, The Netherlands and 
France. The first feat of arms of Sarkozy, Gordon Brown and Angela 
Merkel was in fact to drop the referendum option, without allowing a 
National Parliamental discussion about this to take place.

The requirement that the European Constitution has to be ratified by 
unanimous vote has because of this been expired and dropped like a hot 
potato. On December 12th 2007, the European Parliament has reacted on 
this in a furious manner. Within the regular press of the EU member 
countries nothing about this has of course been published.

On Youtube the following clips can be watched :

European Parliament: Members' Protest - 12.12.2007
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JJlI9swbsA

Power Grab by EU Parliament President (upgraded)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVeMBNB0cII&NR=1

Support the Action "I demand a referendum for the next European
Treaty" at http://x09.eu/

Yes my Friends, this is bloody serious. This is Nazi Germany in 1933, 
where Hitler pulled everything out of the cupboard to takeover power in 
Germany. Democracy didn't exist back then. Keep Beatrix and her Royal 
Court in close watch, as it may be the case that the Orange Family will 
soon disappear across our nations border.

In 1933 the Germans knew what they could expect to happen. Today I have 
seen very scarce information mesmerizing about who the new feudal power 
broker of Europe will be. It predicts little good.

> ==========================================================================
> Further Information
> ==========================================================================
> 
> Open letter to H.M. The Queen of the Netherlands:
>   http://www.tuks.nl/docs/Open_Brief_HM_Koningin_2.pdf
> 
> Open letter to H.M. The Queen of the Netherlands:
>   http://www.tuks.nl/docs/Open_Brief_HM_Koningin.pdf
> 
> Background article "Europa: No democracy as such"
>   http://www.tuks.nl/docs/Geen_Democratie_als_zodanig.pdf
> 
> ==========================================================================
> Contact
> ==========================================================================
> 
> Ir. Arend Lammertink:
> email: lamare at tuks.nl
>         lamare at gmail.com
> gsm: +316 5425 6426
> 
> ==========================================================================

Kind Regards,

Robert
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Robert M. Stockmann - RHCE
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'A constitution is indeed a corset for those who seek power. (...) But constitutional principles are not corsets for the political discourse of a free society; they are the necessary condition for having any discourse at all about how purposes are to be fulfilled in that society.'
(N.Johnson. In Search of the Constitution. pp. 147-48.)

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Robert M. Stockmann July 4, 2008 at 1:30 am